The problem with the whole indie world right now is that it's become a status thing. There's a lot of Southern California pop punk bands out there who are selling lots of records and getting millions and millions of dollars from major labels, and they're still trying to tote themselves as some sort of poster children for indie punk rock. I want to tell them, For God's sake, take off that $700 shirt if you're gonna do that, and give all your money to start a label and make other little bands marginally successful. But don't sit back in your mansion on the side of the hill and say "Man, we are still so punk." Whatever… just make your records, man, and stop it.